tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post2074999768567435672..comments2023-07-07T02:02:58.094-07:00Comments on Anjin Unleashed: Random Shots: WoW and The Next GameMarty Runyonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08456700794989273981noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-60081851216561528722009-09-15T14:55:05.814-07:002009-09-15T14:55:05.814-07:00@ Blue Kae - Thanks for stopping by! I almost put ...@ Blue Kae - Thanks for stopping by! I almost put in the post (though I pulled it because it didn't fit) that I would rather developers execute the standard MMO tropes properly than try to get overly innovative. If they can't get the basics down, what makes them think that the new shiny stuff will make up for it.<br /><br />I'll point to WAR to illustrate this. They put a lot of new ideas into the game like PQs and Tome of Knowledge, but ended up with boring PvE since they took it for granted.Marty Runyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08456700794989273981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-30054053838978508582009-09-15T13:39:18.669-07:002009-09-15T13:39:18.669-07:00I'm in the same boat with you and Yeebo. Lots...I'm in the same boat with you and Yeebo. Lots of bloggers/commenters seem to be looking for something new and revolutionary, but no one seems to have any idea what that would be.Blue Kaehttp://www.bluekae.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-12025530869515785912009-09-12T15:44:01.770-07:002009-09-12T15:44:01.770-07:00@ Yeebo - I went back and read that post. Agree wi...@ Yeebo - I went back and read that post. Agree with you completely. Probably why I like your blog so much. :)<br /><br />I did write that post on EVE. It'll be up here soon.Marty Runyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08456700794989273981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-91471321541506665852009-09-11T23:51:17.336-07:002009-09-11T23:51:17.336-07:00@Ardwolf: IMO, EVE has shown what the largest poss...@Ardwolf: IMO, EVE has shown what the largest possible audience for a sandbox MMO with a steep learning curve and FFA PvP can be. That it's even been able to get into the same league as the second teir MMOs like LoTRO and FFXI is damn impressive. However, it's likely never going to have more than 500K or so players. Thus it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.<br /><br />@Anjin: I agree with you 100%. It bugs the shit out of me when MMO commentators mistake their burnout for the entire genre sucking. Dig up the first post on my blog, that's pretty much why I started it. It's unfair to judge any given new MMO based solely on whether it sets the genre conventions on fire.<br /><br />An analogous concept to the "give me innovation or give me death" MMO concept is the "hopeful monster" from evolutionary biology. The "MMOs aren't innovative enough" crowd by and large seem to want a hopeful monster that caters to their peculiar tastes. Unfortunately, much as in the history of life, extreme mutants rarely prosper.Yeebohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08028940396189544294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-80501052279989152492009-09-11T22:54:20.063-07:002009-09-11T22:54:20.063-07:00@ Jayedub - That is exactly why I'm so frustra...@ Jayedub - That is exactly why I'm so frustrated with the recent wave of negativism in the blogging community. I think this is all code for burnout anyway. WoW is not their problem, though. It's the feeling of excitement they miss. Nostalgia and "the good ol' days" are starting to cloud everyone's judgment.<br /><br />@ Ardwulf - 3 reasons:<br /><br />1. I'm really not equipped to say more than "Hey look, there's EVE." Only people who have really played the game have any business talking about it.<br /><br />2. EVE (like Darkfall) is that niche case I mentioned. They're going against the grain, trying to show everyone there is a different way. But EVE isn't aiming for the WoW audience in any serious way. The game is too opaque to take on all comers.<br /><br />3. No one is bored with EVE. No one looks at these types of games and asks how to do it better.<br /><br />All of that said, now I have to post about EVE, damn you. :)Marty Runyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08456700794989273981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-23208432779840616112009-09-11T20:59:48.056-07:002009-09-11T20:59:48.056-07:00Why does EVE always get left out of these discussi...Why does EVE always get left out of these discussions?Ardwulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09612113439848252327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38541167.post-719381546665383282009-09-11T20:53:28.167-07:002009-09-11T20:53:28.167-07:00I think that developers have a damned if you do da...I think that developers have a damned if you do damned if you don't issue as well. They can create a game that is alot like WoW cause it works, and be told they lack innovation. Or, they make a game that does try to break the mold and be told that they such because they venture too far from what has worked.<br /><br />I'm like you, I don't mind the WoW-alike games as long as they have their own identity, something that makes them feel unique.<br /><br />That might be part of my problem with Aion, the gameplay experience doesn't feel unique enough to excite me about the game.Jayedubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437007861375094683noreply@blogger.com